ON PRODUCTS

What are your thoughts on the following products and how do you feel they match up aganist others in there class..any success stories with these? and what exactly is each one designed to do (benefits, sideeffects, etc)

Vassive NO
Vassive C5
Vassive NO Formula X


I am looking for a great creatine and a pre and/or post workout supp.

I currently take Conjugulated Creatine by ConCret. 1 scoop b4 workout. and Nano Vapor and Anabolic Halo. In past I have taken SuperPump250/Size On.

My next stack may be the ON products above or VPX's SnytheSize/N.O.Shotgun

The Vassive line is actually made to work in a synergistic manner. Vassive NO is a great pre workout supplement, Vassive EA8 is one you sip on during your workout, and Vassive C5 is your creatine source for after your workout. I'm not completely sure about the NO Formula X, but I think that is just another NO source in pill form that you can take earlier in the day to prime your system for your workouts.

It's also a really good idea to look into the protein products if you want to be well rounded. Get their 100% Whey for before your workout and other times during the day, get the Aftermax or 2:1:1 Recovery (highly recommended) for faster recovery times, and make sure you look into their Casein for nighttime use and also on days where you might be forced to go long times without solid protein sources.

I think other guys have posted to your previous questions and made sure that you understand that it's not all about your supplements. They're just that, something to supplement an already focused diet and exercise regimen. You gotta make sure you're eating the right foods and working out intensely.

I can't speak for vassive C5 but I've taken both Vassive NO and Vassive NO formula X, I personally liked the powder better, that's just my preference, i felt it hit me quicker.

As far as how they compare to other companies I will stand by my feeling that ON is the top supplement company out there!

I completely agree with Hill, ON is by far the best stuff on the market.

I understand how important intense traning and nutrition is. Here is an example of what I do as it relates to both. Im 195lbs 26yrs old, 14-15% BF. I am looking to lower BF and keep weight around the same, maybe gain a few lbs.

Here is my training split as of now

Monday - Chest/Abs
Tues - Back/Cario (30min interviel)
Wed- Legs/Abs
Thur- Shoulders/Traps/cardio (30min interviel
Fri- Bis/Tris/Forearms/Abs

For larget body parts I am doing 13-18sets smaller parts around 12-15sets. Resting approx. 1-2mins between sets except on heaiver days when im going for 5reps, I'll rest a bit longer. I had a herniated disc last yr (L5S1) so the only two exicersices I don't do are deadlifts and stiffleg deadlefts, everying else is game for me.

Diet/Nutrition: A typical day for me looks like this right now:

7:30am- 24g ON Whey / Bananna

8:30am- 3whole eggs/3Egg whites, 2 slices multigrain bread, tall glass OJ,

9am - Animal pak Multivitamins, fish oil, glucosamine,

11:00am - Shake (24g ON Whey, 24g ON Cassein, 40g plain Oats, 2tblspn Natural Peanutbutter, Bannanna

1:00pm- 2 chick breasts, sweet potato 1 cup brocli, Maybe some almonds or an avacado

3:30pm- 24g ON Whey, Apple, 5G ON Amino Acid 5000, 1 scoop of ConCret Conjugulated Creatine in 100% Grape juice

4:15pm - 1 Scoop Muscle Tech NaNo Vapor
4:30pm- WORKOUT

6:00pm- 2:1:1 ON Recovery Shake, 1 Scoop of Anabolic Halo

7:30pm - Salmon with Brown Rice, and String Beans.

10pm - 24g ON Cassein Shake in Skim Milk

10:30- BED

There it is, a day in the life of Lenni. Of course the foods aren't exactly the same everyday, but the nutritional facts are always similar to this. I do not count calories or crunch numbers, not a fan of that. I estimate everything, and try to get a 60:40:20: ratio of Proten/carbs/healthy fat

Let me know what you think, and now that you have this info, help with supplements would be appricated.

Your split is too elongated for me. For instance you dont need a whole day devoted to chest. And doing cardio after back...you must be a machine, I can barely move after deadlifts or cleans :p

Right now Im working:

Day 1: Shoulders/tris/traps
Day 2: Legs/calves
Day 3: Rest
Day 4: Chest/Bis
Day 5: Back/weakpoint
Day 6: Rest

I tend to hit cardio on my rest days, and an abbreviated ~15 min version or so if I have any energy/time on a lift day

I train my chest by itself sometimes.

My point being you can generally do a very sufficient chest workout and then another body part.

Article from ON related to your question:

http://www.optimumnutrition.com/news.php?article=441